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Posted By pacodecabra 2 weeks, 6 days ago in ReligionA friend of mine recently made the comment that too many churches do not have a place at their table for everyone, meaning essentially that they exclude people for various reasons, and that this is not what the Gospel preaches. I have given her "place at the table" comment a lot of thought, and I believe the following passage speaks directly to this.
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cowboygrandpa2 weeks, 6 days ago
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"This analogy is true not only of theft, but also of gluttony, deceit, hatred, anger, sexual immorality, and any other sin. And although many people (including my friend) disagree, homosexuality is one of the many things the Bible calls sin. It is not the “sin of all sins” as some believe, nor is it an unforgivable sin, but it is a sin nonetheless. It is also interesting that few would argue so vehemently in defense of pre-marital sex or adultery as they do for homosexuality, when all three fall outside of marriage and thus outside of the Biblical standard.
Therefore, we are all invited to take a place at the table, and we are all called just as we are, flawed and broken though we may be. But we cannot stay as we are and remain at the table; there must be a change, a turning away from our sin, whatever that sin may be."
It is as I have told my friends, when they continue to think they are Christians. Without changing their life styles or making any attempt at it.
You can try to fool people to make yourselves appear righteous, but why ?? You can't fool God.
He knows if you are right with Him.
Yes it is disturbing to me that homosexuals want to make their sin acceptable to the Church. Not because their sin is any worse than any other sin. But because they want to deny it as sin.
They are refusinmg the garments offered to them and want to wear what they choose. It is their choice, but not their choice of whether they are acceptable in that garment. That is up to the One who decides.
I choose the Garment He gave me.
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Dionys2 weeks, 5 days ago
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"Yes it is disturbing to me that homosexuals want to make their sin acceptable to the Church."
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And it's disturbing to me that you won't take time out to go look at the original language and instead preach hatred based on an English translation that does not reflect the original words of God.
But hey. I guess English translation and your interpretation cloaked in the guise of "translating with the help of the Holy Spirit" is enough.
Unfortunately for you it's not enough for people who want to know what the BIble really says about homosexuality in the original language, rather than take a dogmatic, ignorant stance.
"I choose the Garment He gave me."
So do homosexuals. You just can't see it because of your ignorance and bigotry. Which is a shame because across the board with the rest of your understanding of Christianity you're pretty much spot on. -
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Dionys2 weeks, 5 days ago
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I'll go you one better. Instead of presenting an article about who is given a place at the table (or insisting, as Cowboy does, that one knows the mind of God and Christ and just how to pass judgment), let's take a look at who CHRIST welcomes to the Table. For we are CHRISTIANS, right?
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At stake in Luke 7:36-50 is the manner in which Israel receives Jesus: like this sinful woman, with the same open hospitality Jesus showed, or like the Pharisee, with hostility and rejection (I can see where Cowboy stands, and it's not in the same place as Christ). It is Jesus' attitude to the woman that leads to the charge of blasphemy by the Pharisees that culminates in his death.
Stop leading people in to blasphemy. Stop being a Pharisee and preaching rejection and hostility. Learn to read your Bible, then try reading it in the original languages so you REALLY understand what's said.-
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cowboygrandpa2 weeks, 4 days ago
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Show me one place in the Bible where God says to the homosexual, go forth and populate the earth with other men, or other women.
Show me one place in the Bible where homosexuality is blessed as marriage between a man and a wwoman is.
Show me where Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed because people were acting in a Godly way.
You cannot because there is no place in the Bible that states the sin of the homosexual is accepted.
It is you who are evil in your deception. It is indeed you who would lead people into hell for the alowance of your favored sin.
Your attacks on me are expected as Christ said we would suffer for doing His work.
You will indeed suffer for your work as defender of sin, unless you repent.
I would hope you repent whether I am ever aware of it or not in this life. For I truly do not want to see you suffer the wrath of God for an eternity, due to a short time of pleasureable sin in this life.
I have been there in my adulterous behavior of the past and know just how blind sin makes one.
Once ones eyes are opened there is truly a thankfulness and a desire toi see others forgiven their sins. So that they to may partake of the joy of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I will never accept your lies as truth, nor will I tolerate them, as they serve as a springboard for the works of satan to capture more slaves into hell. Not slaves to him , but slaves unto their own righteousness which cannot exist without the acceptance of Jesus Christ and the remission of all sins. Not just the ones ya don't like.
But your favorite sins that bring ya pleasure or your ides of fleshly delights.
Try arguing with God and see where it gets ya ??
I'll tell ya from experience ya lose and God wins. Thank God for His Loving mercy and patience.
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Dionys2 weeks, 5 days ago
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I'll go you one better. Instead of presenting an article about who is given a place at the table (or insisting, as Cowboy does, that one knows the mind of God and Christ and just how to pass judgment), let's take a look at who CHRIST welcomes to the Table. For we are CHRISTIANS, right?
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At stake in Luke 7:36-50 is the manner in which Israel receives Jesus: like this sinful woman, with the same open hospitality Jesus showed, or like the Pharisee, with hostility and rejection (I can see where Cowboy stands, and it's not in the same place as Christ). It is Jesus' attitude to the woman that leads to the charge of blasphemy by the Pharisees that culminates in his death.
Stop leading people in to blasphemy. Stop being a Pharisee and preaching rejection and hostility. Learn to read your Bible, then try reading it in the original languages so you REALLY understand what's said.-
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Dionys2 weeks, 5 days ago
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Luke 7:36-50 (New International Version)
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Jesus Anointed by a Sinful Woman
36Now one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, so he went to the Pharisee's house and reclined at the table. 37When a woman who had lived a sinful life in that town learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee's house, she brought an alabaster jar of perfume, 38and as she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.
39When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, "If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner."
40Jesus answered him, "Simon, I have something to tell you."
"Tell me, teacher," he said.
41"Two men owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii,[a] and the other fifty. 42Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he canceled the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?"
43Simon replied, "I suppose the one who had the bigger debt canceled."
"You have judged correctly," Jesus said.
44Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. 46You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. 47Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little."
48Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."
49The other guests began to say among themselves, "Who is this who even forgives sins?"
50Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."
Was she given a place at the table AFTER her sins were forgiven? No. She was given a place at the table and allowed to ANNOINT THE CHRIST BEFORE her sins were forgiven. And out of love and the embracing nature of Christ and God she was forgiven of her sins. Not for renouncing them, not for becoming something she is not, but for her love of Christ and her humble act, and for her being of the Body of Christ.-
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cowboygrandpa2 weeks, 4 days ago
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"44Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. 46You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. 47Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little."
48Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."
49The other guests began to say among themselves, "Who is this who even forgives sins?"
50Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."
Was she given a place at the table AFTER her sins were forgiven? No. She was given a place at the table and allowed to ANNOINT THE CHRIST BEFORE her sins were forgiven. And out of love and the embracing nature of Christ and God she was forgiven of her sins. Not for renouncing them, not for becoming something she is not, but for her love of Christ and her humble act, and for her being of the Body of Christ."
Do you not see who she was ministering to ??? It was her Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Of course her sins were forgiven, and she was given a place at the table.
She was not working her deeds of sin in front of the Lord and saying I am holy. She was not engaging in her trade.
She was repenting, she was remorseful as to her wickedness, she turned from her evil right then, and saw in Jesus Christ the Truth of her need for Him.
She wept continually, using her tears and her hair to wash His feet.
Big difference between, doing that and denying ones sin. Claiming to be holy in that sin is rejecting Christ and saying you do not need him for you know right and wrong on your own.
Ya see another misinterpretation has allowed ya to see things through the mask of sin instead of the light of Christ.
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