Breaking: Hoyer admits Dems don’t have the votes for Pelosi Plan »
Posted By pc25 2 weeks, 3 days ago in Political News
The answer to the big question surrounding Nancy Pelosi’s scheduling of the ObamaCare vote this weekend has been answered. She didn’t schedule it for Saturday because she had the votes — and now Steny Hoyer has admitted as much this morning:
A House leader says Democrats haven’t yet lined up enough votes to pass their health care overhaul bill.
Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland says the vote that House Democrats had scheduled for Saturday could slip to Sunday or early next week.
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pc252 weeks, 3 days ago
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What does this tell us? Moderates have apparently balked at the pressure Pelosi has put on them to swallow the public option and a $1.8 trillion price tag. Today’s unemployment numbers probably had something to do with that as well. Robert Reich advised Democrats to stop their push on health-care overhauls and start worrying about job losses, or risk becoming an irrelevancy in the midterms (via Instapundit). The moderates in Pelosi’s caucus probably came to that conclusion on Tuesday night.-
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hyperbola2 weeks, 3 days ago
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Amusing to see the right-wing extremist israel-firsters at hotair once again pushing corporate corruption PC. Doubly amusing to see them trying to pretend they are patriotic Americans.
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How corporate P.R. works to kill healthcare reform
One of the reasons I left my job at CIGNA, where I headed corporate communications and was part of the Legal & Public Affairs division, was because I did not want to be involved in yet another P.R. and lobbying campaign to kill or gut reform. I finally came to question the ethics of what I had done and been a part of for nearly two decades to influence decision making and bill writing on Capitol Hill.
When I testified before the Senate Commerce Committee in late June, I told the senators how the industry has conducted duplicitous and well-financed P.R. and lobbying campaigns every time Congress has tried to reform our healthcare system, and how its current behind-the-scenes efforts may well shape reform in a way that benefits Wall Street far more than average Americans. I noted that, just as they did 15 years ago when the insurance industry led the effort to kill the Clinton reform plan, it is using shills and front groups to spread lies and disinformation to scare Americans away from the very reform that would benefit them most. The industry, despite its public assurances to be good-faith partners with the president and Congress, has been at work for years laying the groundwork for devious and often sinister campaigns to manipulate public opinion.
...The industry goes to great lengths to keep its involvement in these campaigns hidden from public view....
.... What does this all mean for our country and our democracy?
During my 20 years in corporate communications and public affairs, I participated in the steady growth and influence of largely invisible persuasion -- and at a time when newsrooms are shrinking and investigative journalism seems to be vanishing. The number of P.R. people long ago surpassed the number of working journalists in this country. And that ratio of P.R. people to reporters will continue to grow. The clear winners as this shift occurs are big, rich corporations and other special interests. The losers are average Americans, most of whom are completely unaware how their thoughts and actions are being manipulated to achieve corporate goals on Capitol Hill.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/09/17/how-corp...
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pc252 weeks, 3 days ago
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You have to love Pelosi. She makes the pronouncement last week that passing this health care bill is going to cost the Democrats seats in the house and she doesn't care. You guys do what you're told. Yeah, I bet that went over great especially with the first year Blue Dogs (Rahm Emanuel's chickens coming home to roost). Nancy knows best whats right for the country. You're going to get MY health care reform bill whether it's good for you or not, whether it kills you or not. Typical. Hey TOOTS I have news for you this isn't a monarchy, and you ain't the queen, except maybe the BOTOX QUEEN.
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hyperbola2 weeks, 3 days ago
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Now that comment was full of well reasoned, intelligent reasoning PC. Is this the best you have to try to keep suckering Americans - more hate campaigns? Frankly we should be talking about more important things. A good starting point would be the destruction wreaked on America by a corrupt financial oligarchy (who belong to the same circles that finance propaganda organs like hotair).
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Army Troops Called in to Protect Billionaire Corruption
"We have to tolerate the inequality as a way to achieve greater prosperity and opportunity for all," says one Goldman Sachs adviser. But tell that to the people of Samson, Ala.
Editor's Note: The shocking transfer of public wealth to Wall Street's pockets is illustrated vividly in Mark Ames' article below, which covers some very disturbing recent events in Alabama, where billionaires and banks are squeezing the locals so hard that they're literally going bankrupt just for flushing their toilets, where violence and the threat of violence are reaching a boiling point and where even the Posse Comitatus Act is under threat. "We have to tolerate the inequality as a way to achieve greater prosperity and opportunity for all" said one Goldman Sachs vice-chairman recently. Well, here's a tale of the kind of inequality the finance industry expects citizens to tolerate.
One of this year's more disturbing stories that were ignored was the illegal Army occupation of Samson, Alabama...
..But what even the right-wing anti-government people won't report is the true reason why the Army was called out in the first place, something that goes right back to the cause of the shooting rampage: billionaire exploitation of the local Alabamans, not just by the chicken oligarch, but from higher up the predator food chain -- Wall Street banking behemoth JP Morgan Chase....
....In the billionaires' Third World model for America, it makes awful sense that a Brazilian meat company would take control of a bankrupt, corrupt American chicken company. For Wall Street and the billionaires, the more they destroy in America, the richer they get, consequences be damned.... -
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hyperbola2 weeks, 3 days ago
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So far, it's clear that Birmingham and the entire Jefferson County are following the wretched script of a typical Third World scenario, where the Wall Street bankers corrupt the politicians and eventually bankrupt the place and then, while the corpse is still warm and the bankruptcy deals are cut, Wall Street makes sure it's first in line to profit off the chaos it created, while its corrupt local shill (in this case Birmingham's mayor) takes the fall for the crime of accepting the JP Morgan bribes … and the locals get screwed worst of all, paying off the bill for years or decades.
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Just this week, it emerged that Goldman Sachs, employer of Brian "Inequality Is Good" Griffiths, bilked the state of New Jersey using a similar scheme involving interest-rate swaps on bonds that don't even exist. According to Bloomberg, New Jersey is considering raising its gasoline tax to pay the $1 million a month they have to pay out to Goldman for the scam -- a regressive tax that once again takes from the struggling middle class and poor, and puts in thepockets of the billionaires.
.... The logical outcome of the billionaires' plundering of Alabama is the same thing that happens all over the Third World: violence, fear and calling in the troops, the only way to secure the billionaires' dirty profits:........... The state's response is right out of the Central America banana republic playbook: When there's no money left for the people, send in the troops......... In light of all of this, the Army's brief, illegal occupation of a string of towns in Alabama this past spring no longer looks like a freak one-off, but rather a logical progression in the ongoing billionaire plunder of America.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/10/28/army-tro...
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pc252 weeks, 3 days ago
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http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/its-o...
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It’s On and IT’S MASSIVE– “Kill the Bill Rally” In DC! …Update: Mark Levin at Rally (Video)
As a crowd of protesters shouted “kill the bill,” House Republicans on Thursday rallied opposition against the Democrats’ health care legislation, decrying the bill on the steps of Congress in a last-ditch bid to derail or at least delay the legislation heading toward a possible vote Saturday. -
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philbrick2 weeks, 3 days ago
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Along with AARP and the American Medical Association (AMA), the American Cancer Society has just endorsed the Democrat's health care plan.
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http://cadillactight.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/aarp...-
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pc252 weeks, 3 days ago
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487040...
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The AMA Wants a Unicorn, Too
Contrary to the President, most doctors oppose his reforms.
Actually, what they've been watching is a formula that automatically cuts Medicare reimbursements to physicians—by 21.5% next year—and have made it clear that they'll endorse virtually anything, no matter how damaging to medicine, as a quid pro quo for eliminating this cut. They didn't get even that. Democrats amputated the "doc fix" from ObamaCare because preventing the cuts will cost more than $200 billion and pushes the price tag well above $1 trillion. They claim they'll instead pass a separate bill with the fix, adding all of that to the deficit.
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stephen-johnson2 weeks, 3 days ago
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It takes two to tango:
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/03/harry-rei...
" In a blow to the White House, the Senate's top Democrat signaled Tuesday that Congress may fail to meet a year-end deadline for passing health care legislation, leaving the measure's fate to the uncertainties of the 2010 election season.
Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., spoke as Democratic officials said it could be December before Senate debate begins in earnest on the issue atop President Barack Obama's domestic agenda, months after senior lawmakers and the White House had hoped. The drive to pass legislation has been plagued for months by divisions within the party's rank and file....
A few hours later, Reid's office revised his remarks. "Our goals remain unchanged. We want to get health insurance reform done this year, and we have unprecedented momentum to achieve that. There is no reason why we can't have a transparent and thorough debate in the Senate and still send a bill to the president by Christmas," said spokesman Jim Manley.
Despite the late-afternoon statement, numerous other officials said it could be early December before the Senate begins work in earnest on long-delayed health care legislation, making it a virtual impossibility for lawmakers to send a compromise to Obama's desk by the end of the year"
If unemployment remains above 10% in November, the heat will be on the Democrats to do something about the economy before the 2010 election year starts. "Doing something" doesn't mean crippling the economy further with tax hikes now to pay for a health care plan that doesn't start until 2013. -
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mesodude2 weeks, 3 days ago
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"Breaking"?! ROTFLMAO Keep dreaming, cons. How many times have we been told the public option was "dead" or this or that Congress member *wasn't* going to vote for it--only to be told within hours that he or she was misquoted? Exactly...Like I said, keep dreaming, cons. We know you're routing against the America in hopes of the GOP regaining power but It ain't over til it's over.
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Jeboba2 weeks, 3 days ago
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If ANY Dem joins the Repubs in voting against health care reform, I will personally lead the parade to run them out of town on a rail...tarred and feathered. We KNOW the all too obvious reason to vote against the bill....greed....taking $$$ from the health care industry. We expect that from the corrupt Repubs, but not from the Dems.
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philbrick2 weeks, 3 days ago
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"Breaking: Hoyer admits Dems don’t have the votes for Pelosi Plan"
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There must be two Hoyers
"House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer predicted the bill will be passed in the House on Saturday".
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33654086/ns/politics-h...
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pc252 weeks, 3 days ago
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/03/harry-rei...
" In a blow to the White House, the Senate's top Democrat signaled Tuesday that Congress may fail to meet a year-end deadline for passing health care legislation, leaving the measure's fate to the uncertainties of the 2010 election season.
Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., spoke as Democratic officials said it could be December before Senate debate begins in earnest on the issue atop President Barack Obama's domestic agenda, months after senior lawmakers and the White House had hoped. The drive to pass legislation has been plagued for months by divisions within the party's rank and file....
A few hours later, Reid's office revised his remarks. "Our goals remain unchanged. We want to get health insurance reform done this year, and we have unprecedented momentum to achieve that. There is no reason why we can't have a transparent and thorough debate in the Senate and still send a bill to the president by Christmas," said spokesman Jim Manley. -
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pc252 weeks, 3 days ago
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now ain't this something seems MSNBC can't even get their own headlines straight anymore
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33717968/ns/politics-h...
Hoyer: House vote may be pushed back
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how about that you still don't have the votes........
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ettucatk2 weeks, 3 days ago
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I can only hope that the Legislators in the House understand that abortion and illegals are not the main issues in the DEATHCARE bill. It is the entire concept of government takeover of 1/6 of GDP. It is the fact that we have the best healthcare in the world, and by passing this bill, the government guarantees rationing, decreased R, increased taxes at both the Federal and State levels, and an unsustainable system that will cost more and more each year, with less and less in benefits. Our healthcare is not in crisis, and those measures that should be taken to rein in costs are being ignored by the elitists in DC. They must be made to understand the American people DO NOT WANT THIS BILL TO PASS, and Congress is there to represent their constituents, not to force government intrusion into every aspect of our lives. PHONE, FAX, EMAIL, WRITE, VISIT CAPITOL HILL, PROTEST IN EVERY WAY YOU CAN THINK OF, TO MAKE SURE THIS BILL DOES NOT PASS.
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philbrick2 weeks, 3 days ago
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The president was set to make a personal appeal to the Democratic rank and file in a visit Friday to Capitol Hill. That was called off after the shootings at Fort Hood, Texas, and rescheduled for Saturday.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33729180/ns/politics-h...-
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TOD3962 weeks, 3 days ago
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"The president was set to make a personal appeal to the Democratic rank and file in a visit Friday to Capitol Hill. That was called off after the shootings at Fort Hood, Texas, and rescheduled for Saturday."
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That is great news. Everytime obie goes in and pushes for something it goes the opposite way. Remember Tuesday, and the Olympics?
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jonnyrttn2 weeks, 3 days ago
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I've been in a childrens hospital this week with my four year old girl.She has been diagnosed with type one diabetes i'm heart broken and scared to death.While we where there another little boy comes in about the same time with the same type one. We have private ins. and they had tenncare our version of gov. run health care.Our ins paid for the best meter and room while we were there.The other family had to take the cheapest. That was another heart breaker.I want to ask or beg the libs here to please rethink what you're asking for there has to be a better way.I would also appreciate any prayers from any body we really need them now.
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Mystic_Moldovan2 weeks, 3 days ago
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But, how much do you pay for private insurance and how much do they pay for Tenncare? What are the costs versus the benefits? Maybe, they're happy to have Tenncare, rather than nothing. There are at least 40 million Americans who have nothing. Every time the unemployment figure goes higher, more fired people lose any company-sponsored health plan that they may have had. The other family probably won't lose Tenncare, but if you lose your job, what happens to your private health insurance if your former employer was the sponsor?
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fjgalt2 weeks, 2 days ago
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jonnyrttn,
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I can't put myself in your position; I can only relate my experience with someone with whom I worked. This woman had a teen-age daughter with Type I diabetes. The daughter would sometime's faint and needed someone to be nearby at all times. The mother was a nervous wreck, even took a few trips to the Middle East seeking a miracle cure (she was a devout Catholic).
Once the daughter moved to a place of her own and got a responsible job did the mother calm down. The daughter married a few years later and has two or three children.
A friend of my mother, well into her 70s, has been taking insulin since I can remember (some 60 years or more). It's a treatable, controllable illness that allows for a normal life.
It's important for you to be calm, learn what is necessary for your daughter, modify your diet somewhat to set the proper example, make sure she knows what to do and try to have someone nearby until she's mature.
Best wishes to you and your family.
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