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Posted By gunnyreef 2 weeks, 3 days ago in News
Medicare's chief actuary told The Hill that it is unclear if he will have a cost estimate in time. before a scheduled vote this weekend.
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EKB_2 weeks, 3 days ago
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Why don't you check the Socialist Party website and see if they are celebrating this? After all, if Obama is such a socialist then certainly the Socialist Party would claim him, right? Or maybe you are just retarded and can only regurgitate talking points you hear on hate radio.
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jordan112 weeks, 2 days ago
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Before you make silly comments, first learn the definition of what you suggest. First of all, Congress isn't voting on 'health care.' They're voting on a way to provide an avenue for people to buy affordable health insurance. They're also voting on ways to improve, through oversight, the shady actions of for profit insurance companies who let people die when the drop their health insurance, or refuse to sell it to them in the first place.
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The "socialized" health care you suggest has nothing to do with this bill. The government won't own the hospitals, the clinics, the Dr.'s, the nurses. They will merely provide a pool to buy into for health insurance that will let you afford the hospitals, the clinics, the Dr.'s, the nurses.
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fjgalt2 weeks, 3 days ago
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Every one who votes for this must be fired next year. I heard that Pelosi will not post the bill on the Internet so the citizens will not be able to read it before the vote.
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To Reid, Pelosi, Obama, et. al., we are nothing but rightless serfs to be "cared" for and controlled as the nobles did in the dark and middle ages.
To me, it's not about the cost; it's about the total control the government will exercise. Even if they don't exercise that control at first, the citizens will need permission for every phase of their health care. Only a slave acts by permission. Free men act by right.-
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mesodude2 weeks, 3 days ago
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"Every one who votes for this must be fired next year. I heard that Pelosi will not post the bill on the Internet so the citizens will not be able to read it before the vote."
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--See, this is one of the many ways cons fall down and go boom...You are in the minority NOW because you supported a befuddled militaristic clown named George W Bush who thought he was a cowboy. You supported 8 years of NO checks and balances and now that YOU are no longer in power and YOU are being checked, you're all "waaahhhhhhhhhhh...da gubmint is so unfair and stuff...blah blah!" The thing cons FAIL to realize every time is that you supported GOP crooks who IGNORED the will of the American public time and time again (Iraq, SCHIP, minimum wage, Social Security reform, etc). That's WHY you're in the position you're in now--bitter, sad, panic-stricken and cartoonishly unstable. How in the HELL do you figure Democrats should get "fired" when they are doing what MOST AMERICANS *want* them to do? What kind of WARPED bizarro, upside-down cake-baking planet are you finger-counting goofballs living on?! ;-(
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Tasine2 weeks, 3 days ago
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Don't you just love this Democrat Congress? So loving and caring for the populace (gag). And such responsible behavior - mucking up perfectly good health care with a monstrosity that will break the bank, but they don't even know how destructive it will be - but they will try to get it done anyway. Now that is what I call integrity. /s
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I truly hope none of the Republicans roll over on this. I want all the credit to go to the Democrats so that denying their culpability will be impossible. Maybe once their constituents will be forced to see the light and will vote these weirdos out of office. I know, I'm a dreamer.-
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epiphannyy2 weeks, 2 days ago
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While I don't endorse a Congress of either party voting on bills without factoring in the cost, I have to laugh at the outrage over this "Democrat Congress" doing this when, during the Bush administration and FULL Republican control, they CONTINUALLY voted to approve the war effort in Iraq and Afghanistan and never even acknowledged the cost of it. NEVER did they factor in the cost. NEVER did they include it in the budget for running the country. NOT ONCE. Which is why Obama inherited the record deficit he did when taking over, even though Bush inherited a surplus.
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And all the time Republicans were digging us into this hole, there was nary a word of protest from the Republican base or Republicans on the hill. When objections were raised, there were charges of anti-American sentiment driving the objections. So to see these rants coming now, over a bill that at most will only cost a FRACTION of what the war effort costs, is laughable.........why? Because they are only made because its a "Democrat Congress"...not because of the cost or their lack of factoring cost into the bill. If that were truly the problem, then where were you (and everyone else on the right) during the YEARS when Republicans did this as a matter of practice?
Just when I thought the hypocrisy couldn't get any greater...........
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mesodude2 weeks, 3 days ago
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I guess I don't understand how this is different from all the war funding and tax cut legislation cons supported under Bush and the GOP controlled Congress. Did even one of you cons ask about the "true cost" of trillions in tax cuts and war funding? Exactly...You didn't. So, once again, I remind cons that you're all full of HORSESH*T. No one believes your CRAP. That's all. You may now go back to whackin' off together in a frenzy over Obama. ;-0
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philbrick2 weeks, 3 days ago
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Why AARP supports the Democrat's health plan:
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AARP Senior Policy Adviser John Rother said the group favors the House bill because it closes the coverage gap in Medicare prescription benefits, puts strict limits on what health insurers can charge older workers too young for Medicare and creates a voluntary, long-term care insurance program.
"The bill does improve quality, and it improves access," said Rother. "When people hear this message from us, it will have impact." AARP will reach out to its state and local chapters ahead of the House vote, particularly in districts with a large numbers of older people and a lawmaker who's undecided".
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5...
****** BREAKING NEWS: The American Cancer Society has also announced its support for the legislation Thursday.
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American Medical Association
AARP
The American Cancer Society
The vast majority of the American People
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icono12 weeks, 3 days ago
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Why should the pols ever care about the cost.
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1. They will never pay for it; that will come from the tax payer
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2. if all else fails they can raise money by raising taxes and printing more money.
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3. means that since they, our alturistic politicians, who have worked so hard to take care of us that chatter and cling to our guns and bibles when things get rough, can vote themselves another pay raise. ( I know it is a tough job, that voting in a pay raise for yourself, but damn, somebody has to do it, and only the best for the Amerian people.) -
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bluetexasvalley2 weeks, 3 days ago
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"Government programs always costs[sic] 4 to 5 times as much as first projected."
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Always? ALWAYS?
Please name three government programs enacted in the past ten years which have ended up costing 4 or 5 times their projected costs.
Here, I'll help you get started:
1. War in Iraq
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Klarissa2 weeks, 3 days ago
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www.cpusa.org
And herein lays the role of the Left. Its main task, as it has been throughout our country’s history, is to persistently and patiently assist in reassembling, activating, uniting, educating, and giving a voice to common demands that unite this broad majority.
The Left's political analysis, its solutions to today's pressing crises, and its vision of radical democracy and socialism, rooted in national realities, will receive a fair and favorable hearing from millions of Americans to the degree that Left activists are active participants in the main labor and people’s organizations struggling for vital reforms today — jobs, health care, retirement security, quality public education, equality and fairness, immigration reform, a foreign policy of peace and cooperation, and a livable environment and sustainable economy.
Struggle for health care reform
The mobilization that the labor movement and others carried out tirelessly last year in the elections is exactly what is needed now. How else can health care for all, the Employee Free Choice Act, economic relief, comprehensive immigration reform, a transfer of funds from military spending to massive green job creation, and a tax policy that weighs heavily the wealthiest families and corporations be won?
The Right Wing, the American Medical Association, the pharmaceutical and insurance companies have drawn a line in the sand on health care. They hope to defeat any legislation in the near term and in doing so to fatally weaken the administration’s legislative program in the longer term, much like they did in the Clinton years.
The core of this struggle, whether we like it or not, turns on the inclusion of a public option in a health care bill. President Obama reaffirmed his support for such an option and the Congressional Progressive Caucus recently expressed its full support for a public option that is government run, covers everyone, and goes into effect right away.
Meanwhile, Republicans, with help from some Democrats, are ganging up against any public option, while at the same time introducing measures to weaken health care reform and confuse the American people.
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Klarissa2 weeks, 3 days ago
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www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/1057/1/42/
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Dear Friends,
The ultra-right on Capitol Hill, hand-in-hand with members of the Honduran oligarchy and military, have been besieging Congress with demands that the U.S. back off its stated support for the restoration of Manuel Zelaya to the presidency of Honduras. This needs to be aggressively countered.
Congressmen Bill DeLaHunt (D-MA) and James McGovern (D-MA) have taken the initiative with a resolution described below in a message from the Alliance for Global Justice.
Please follow up the DeLaHunt-McGovern initiative with your letters, faxes, phone calls, e-mails and visits to your own congressperson.
Also contact your senators to ask them to pass a similar resolution. Finally, ask your union, church or community organization to mobilize support for this effort.
Below is an action alert from the Alliance for Global Justice with the text of the resolution and other details:
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Support House Resolution on Honduras!
Urge your Representative to become an original co-sponsor of House Resolution demanding reinstatement of President Manuel Zelaya in Honduras!
[This action alert comes to you from the Alliance for Global Justice and its member projects, the Nicaragua Network, the Campaign for Labor Rights, the Venezuela Solidarity Campaign, and the Respect for Democracy Campaign.]
Representatives James McGovern (D-MA) and Bill Delahunt (D-MA) have sent out a Dear Colleague letter to the other members of the House of Representatives asking them to sign on as original co- sponsors to a House resolution calling for the reinstatement of Manuel Zelaya as president of Honduras. See text of the letter and of the House resolution below. -
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marcbarc2 weeks, 3 days ago
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Don't you just love selfish centered republicans, they want only for themselves and not for others...surely they cannot be true christians but cafeteria christians with selfish attitudes. I hope all these republicans get sick and have no way to pay for there healthcare its the only way they will learn. Also notice most against healthcare are big bellied caucasians and would not know a minority if it hit them between their eyes.
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gtheel2 weeks, 3 days ago
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They know Liberals only represent 20% of the voters , and even then most are not far left Liberals or self admitted Communists and Marxists like some of the people behind this health care bill...and they also saw what happened in Virginia and New Jersy this week....I will bet anyone this does not pass....too many are worried about losing their jobs next year. In brighter news , ACORN's headquarters in New Orleans was raided today with all records ect confiscated.
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philbrick2 weeks, 3 days ago
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"They know Liberals only represent 20% of the voters"
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Ah No,
Poll: GOP Approval at Lowest Level in a Decade:
Just thirty-six percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of the Republican Party, the lowest level in at least a decade.
More than half of those surveyed – 54 percent – have an unfavorable view of the GOP.
The numbers are far better for Democrats. Fifty-three percent say they have a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party, while 41 percent have a negative opinion about the party.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/23/politics/p...-
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Tony652 weeks, 2 days ago
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Those are fine polling statistics, but a bit suspect, inasmuch as they are from a CommunistBroadcastingService poll. What about the numerous polls (including recent ones done by The NY Times) that reveal that THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS DO NOT WANT THIS HEALTH CARE REFORM--NOR ANY OF THE OTHER IMMORAL PROGRAMS--that the Obummer -- Pile-'O'-s*&#i -- I can't REID crowd are trying to force down America's throat? And while we are talking polls, why was it that even at his lowest approval rating (around 30%) GWB's approval was still HIGHER than Pile-'O'-s&*#i's and Reid--and Congress? I'm not a big fan of GWB, either, but as an AMERICAN, who believes in the Constitution and its principles (that made the U.S. the greatest nation in the history of mankind) I resent the many socialist, unconstitutional programs the chuckleheads in D.C are trying to foist on us because in their arrogance they think they know better than the people what the people need and want. Each of them swore their allegiance to the Constitution, and vowed to uphold it when they took the oath of office; but I think that they wouldn't know that document and what it says any better than they know what's in the bills they are in such a hurry to sign. Like their bills, they haven't read it. That makes tearing it to shreds a lot easier.
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